rmc28: Rachel smiling against background of trees, with newly-cut short hair (Default)
[personal profile] rmc28
It's time for my semiannual reminder that I hate the stupid changing-the-clocks ritual.  The change forward in the spring doesn't hit me as hard, just reminds me of this tedious twice-yearly waste of time.

My daily commute is roughly 08:30-9:00 in the morning and 17:00-18:00 in the evening.  Yes, it is twice as long in the evening, because of picking up from childcare, whereas darling child is able to walk himself to school, most of the time (and when he doesn't, school is closer than after-school childcare).  At this latitude it's basically always light when I go out in the morning (if not when I actually wake up), but not in the evening.

The last few weeks, the evening has been creeping in. Not quite dark before we get home, but getting there, closer and closer. I don't like it, but I adjust, day by day.  Tomorrow, because of the time change, it will suddenly be dark when I leave work, with no chance to adjust, and that's what hits me the hardest.

It took me a few years to realise that's what I hated most about the clocks going back.  Not the commute in the dark itself, though it's not great, but the sudden jump.

Summertime is such a clumsy way of attempting to "make the most" of daylight, as though everyone worked on the same schedule throughout the country.  Although every time we talk about changing it, all the exceptions who would be badly affected speak up. Why not keep one timezone all year round, and adapt locally, or in specific activities, to the seasons if we need to?  More complicated.  But probably more useful.

Date: 2014-10-26 22:44 (UTC)
megpie71: Cloud Strife says "Meep" (Excuse me sir)
From: [personal profile] megpie71
Here in Western Australia, we don't do daylight savings (firstly because approximately half the state is above the Tropic of Capricorn, and therefore gets next to no benefit out of the shift in the first place, and secondly because the major city is the wrong side of the meridian we take our time zone from to benefit from the shift anyway). This has not stopped our politicians (nagged by the business community) from instituting Daylight Savings trials about three times in my lifetime so far. Each time the whole business has been voted down by the majority of voters, and each time it's been said to be the "last" trial.

But every year we get the whingeing from those in the business community who have to deal with people in Sydney and Melbourne (where they do have daylight saving) because the two hour gap between business hours has blown out to three (just like it does every year).

Date: 2014-10-27 17:19 (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
We had the joy of outsourcing part of one of our projects to the Adelaide office, 11.5 hours time difference (yes, 11_.5_, Adelaide is weird). Having telecons meant them staying very late and us arriving very early. Working with Seattle was a dream by comparison ;)

Date: 2014-10-27 10:07 (UTC)
naath: (Default)
From: [personal profile] naath
I don't tend to notice the sudden shift in sunset time; I often leave work after dark anyway (and even at the height of summer am often getting home in the dark). I would, I think, notice and despise having to wake up in the dark on a regular basis. I notice very much the shift in spring that leaves me with an hour less sleep, I need my sleep.

Mostly what I am is very confused about why a nation full of people who apparently want to 'make the most of' daylight is not a nation full of people who jump joyfully from their beds at a sunny 0500 in July? No, really - why is it that in summer when there is abundant light, do we waste it so thoroughly by staying awake long after dark and getting up long after dawn?

By December there are only 8 hours of daylight (roughly 0800-1600). Most people are "making the most of it" by experiencing all of it already (although personally only *marginally*, since I get up after 8; obviously I don't care so much for making the most of daylight); the only remaining question is whether it is safer to have people driving *to* or *from* work in the dark (you can not have neither; not if people are going to continue to work 40 hour weeks).

I would in general much it if people were able to choose with much more freedom which hours they were asleep, which means more flexibility in working hours.

Date: 2014-10-27 10:32 (UTC)
naath: (Default)
From: [personal profile] naath
There's a difficult question about schools; although the school day is shorter, so could in theory take place entirely in the light even in December (in Cambridge; in Inverness in December sunrise is at nearly 0900, sunset at 1530... is that long enough for a school day?).

Small children seem endlessly keen to wake up really early though. (Why? children are strange...)

Date: 2014-10-27 11:00 (UTC)
naath: (Default)
From: [personal profile] naath
I've never found traveling in the dark actually scary. But then I don't have children, and also maybe I'm just hard to scare. So I have no useful suggestions for how to make it less scary and more safe other than "ban cars" because I hate cars (I can't see that actually happening). It would indeed be good to make it safer to travel in the dark, since we clearly can't stop people from doing so!

Date: 2014-10-27 17:34 (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
The problem is rural areas, where you can have kids needing to travel 20 miles or more each-way. As I went to a Catholic comprehensive we had more kids bussed in than was strictly necessary, but even without it the distance from comprehensives to outlying villages in places like the Dales, and the Scottish highlands, can be pretty extreme. My brother-in-law does the contract taxi-run for school kids up into the Dales, and winter before last a landslip that closed one of only two roads into one of the villages put an extra 10 or 20 miles onto his route that lasted for a year! Add to that small country roads in the dark and it's far from ideal, but I don't know that there's any easy solution. Moving the clocks just moves the problem from mornings to evenings!

Date: 2014-10-27 17:23 (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
I tend to think that the case for putting the clocks back is so much stronger in Scotland than the rest of the UK, that there's a case for implementing it for Scotland only.

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